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GOD [21 Mar 2005|06:29pm]

So, theres this bulletin message on Myspace.. and here it goes...

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Lizel
Date: Mar 21, 2005 8:55 AM

This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering that I have seen. It's an explanation other people will understand.
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."
"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.
"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things."
The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.
Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.
The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."
"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"
"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."
"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."
"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

[Ho's response]
so you're saying that inorder to live life all happy and no suffering and crap, we have to believe in god? and what about those people in iraq and over is thailand? most of them who died believed in a god... they died, they suffered. what does this mean? huh? the many men and women who go to war, most of them are christian cuz we live in a christian nation, but what do we get? they die, and their family suffer... huh? something is wrong here if this god happens to exist... Look at some simple situations that occur around the world every day, every minute. a person dies, and chances are, he/her and his/her family are religious, very high chance with this world of many religions. many believe in a god of somesort. and the all go to this god. and yet we dont see this suffering stopping it's angry rage.

[Worthless Ho ranting]
on the other hand, who says barbers do exist? XD i mean, the could be a figment of our imagination created by our minds to believe something when in reality everything could be one and nothing is everything and the passage of time is just now and never later and everywhere is here.... haha.... rightio... i'll shutup now... i dont need to keep ranting....[/Ho's response]

So, lets hear your side... im intrested... this just caught my eye and kind of ticked me off, how this could be considered like this. i mean, i did close this message right as i saw the words god, but then again, i opened it again and read it... and lets keep it clean aye? if you do, i'll try to do the same. and no attempt of conversion here.. hehe, the arguing club could use something to argue on, simple or not. stupid or not. whatever... pz.
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What do you see? [26 Feb 2005|09:51am]

So, here are some replies from the people who read the article of the last TIME mag (time.com/evangelicals) and what they think. i think the view points are pretty dangerous.. and some new to me. some just plain.. you know.. not right. haha. i'll put my commentary to it. you add yours. cheers!

Your cover imagery, the Christian cross in front of the Stars and STripes was chilling. Since the beginning of the disastrous Bush presidency, we have been indundated with an aggressive brand of Christian religiosity from leaders whose intolerance rivals anything we have heard from the Islamic zealots in the Middle East. What ever happened to free religious choice?
-Sara J. Richey of Chowchilla California
[HOmentary]i really agree with this one. First, the cover thing, that was kind of distrubing, its like a retake of chrisitanity on american society as it had in the colonial era, with less outbreaks of course. And ever since 9/11, it has been obvious, and still is, that other relgions have been well, turned aside and looked down on..[/HOmentary]

Your story on Evangelicals made one thing quite clear: There is money to be made if you can convince people you have a direct line to God.
-Harry Wastrack of Sterling Virginia
[HOmentary]uh, ouch? If applied to some, its sadly true.[/HOmentary]

Thankyou for hte gracious recognition of me in your article. I think, how ever, you missed something: the most influenctial and greatest Christians are the people all over America you've never heard of. They have a deep concern for the most needy among us, espeically those who do not know Jesus Christ.
-0Stuart Epperson, Chairman of Salem Communications in Camarillo, California
[HOmentary]To me, its those who promote their own religion a lil too much... o_o[/HOmentary]

God protect us from religious fanatics of any faith who are convinced they know the truth and have a right to impose their beliefs on others. The narrowing of the separation of church and state in the US is a frightening trend that conjures up images of religious persecution rather then religious freedom. It is a mystery to me how people who claim to be followers of Jesus can wage war, seek to dienfranchise those who who differ from them, and justify torture.
-Mary Lindbald of Northfield illinos
[HOmentary]HHAHAHAHHAA. This one is kind of ironic isnt it? no more to say bout this one... [/HOmentary]

If Jesus Christ preached inclusion, acceptance, and forgiveness, why are so many of today's so called Christians preaching exclusion and intolerance?
-Gabriel Reyes of Los Angeles
[HOmentary]My friend. listen to the guy up there who talked about where there is a link to god there is money.[/HOmentary]

While there are peculiar people and ideas among all groups, conservative Christians are not crackpot extremist. Evangelicals care about people from all walks of life and hope they will have a personal relationship with God.
-Curt Christensen of St. Charles Illinonsalsdjf (cant spell.. XD)
[HOmentary]*blank* okay... ummmm.. some....[/HOmentary]

What's scary is the Evangelicals' blatant attack on the separation of church and state, a concept that has long protected all US citizens, The battle between the forces of enlightenment and those of religious fundamentalism will determine whether we slide back into the shadows past when religion and the state were one. Our children are depending on us to preserve their civil liberties and prevent them from having to grow up under a Christian version of the Taliban.
-Robert Carver of Metairie, Lousiana
[HOmentary]"christian version of the taliban" thats funny... hahaha. this is one point of view i havnt seen before.. very intresting. you have a good point mr. carver[/HOmentary]

Who are these religious leaders helping besides themselves? Most seem to be selfish theocrats who care only about money and grabbing political power at the expense of those of us who don't see things exactly as they do.
-Ariel A. Vitali of Irving, Texas
[HOmentary]Hear hear![/HOmentary]

I see no correlation between the humble Christ who washed his Disciples' feet and these conspicuously wealthy religous leaders. And in none of their ministries do i find the most important Christian concept of all, Grace.
-Muriel Messer of Polo Illinois
[HOmentary]So little grace left isnt there? kind of sad... *sighs*[/HOmentary]

more @ time.com/evangelicals

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An interesting statement/question was posed the other day in one of my classes:

African Americans today still feel the repercussions of slaverly and therefore should recieve some sort of monetary compensation.

Agree or disagree and why?
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[30 Jan 2005|07:59pm]

Should racial profiling be used as a means to prevent terrorism?
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[23 Jan 2005|01:24pm]

Many problems the world faces today would not subsist if religion itself was nonexistent.
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